A glimpse into the life of an “anti-environmentalist environmentalist.”

In Taos, New Mexico, Michael Reynolds has been building off-grid homes from trash for the last 30 years—he’s part of a community of people who live in such unconventional homes, which they call Earthships. “He’s an interesting model of an anti-environmentalist environmentalist,” says the filmmaker Flora Lichtman about her subject.“ In fact, Michael is fond of saying: “I hate the words ‘green’ and ‘recycling.’” This short film was directed by Lichtman and Katherine Wells for the podcast The Adaptors, a project of SoundVision Productions with support from the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation.

This post originally appeared on The Atlantic.

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